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Bay Smith is a main character. Once a guy, she was turned into a girl several years ago. She keeps this fact a secret, and only a handful of people know. She's now a struggling actress whose roommate is actually her daughter from an alternate future timeline.

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Brady is the younger version of Honey. She is also an alternate time traveling daughter of Bay. She lives with Heather (Bay's sister) and her (adopted) parents in Buffalo, NY.

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Bay's twin sister. Kidnapped at birth, she has been raised by a wealthy adoptive family in Buffalo, New York.

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Honey

Time traveling, alternate timeline daughter of Bay. Honey is extremely book smart, but not very street smart. She lives with Bay.

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837 : Hell vs. Church

Nov10
by Robert on November 10, 2014 at 12:00 am
Chapter: Story 10 : Here and After
Characters: Bay, Brady, Heather, Honey
└ Tags: Bay, Brady, Heather, Honey
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  1. Fairportfan
    November 10, 2014, 1:25 am | # | Login to Reply

    Oh. It’s one of THOSE churches.

  2. Daedalus
    November 10, 2014, 6:46 am | # | Login to Reply

    Goody, more holier-than-thou tripe from the bible nut that lacks the self-awareness to accept that they are a bible nut.

    • jaimehlers
      November 10, 2014, 9:23 am | # | Login to Reply

      Actually, she isn’t a Bible nut. What she is, is someone who takes her religious belief seriously.

      I agree with the “holier than thou tripe” part, though.

      • ai_vin
        November 10, 2014, 1:34 pm | #

        Anyone who take “religious belief seriously” IS a nut.

      • Daedalus
        November 12, 2014, 6:08 am | #

        She’s a nut because she tries to force it on others, end of story.

        My mother is protestant, I am atheist and we agree to disagree, neither of us trying to convert the other.

      • jaimehlers
        November 12, 2014, 8:21 am | #

        @ai_vin: Taking a belief seriously does not make one a nut. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a religious belief or something else. Remember that we have no context behind Bay’s comment – it could simply be the disdain felt by someone who doesn’t go in for religion for those who do.

        @Daeldalus: I doubt this is an attempt at conversion. More likely, Heather got annoyed at Bay’s comment about being a religious nut and decided that she needed to go and actually see what went on at church. In short, I suspect this might be the equivalent of walking a mile in someone else’s shoes so you understand them better.

      • Daedalus
        November 13, 2014, 1:41 pm | #

        Except that we have the context of additional snide comments like her implying Bay would be going to hell if she didn’t go to church in this instance, which seems like emotional blackmail at best.

  3. bthillman
    November 10, 2014, 9:05 am | # | Login to Reply

    I would be nice to your bible nut sister since she just got you a high end rent free apartment and the prospect for staying were you are at is so very low.

  4. jaimehlers
    November 10, 2014, 9:18 am | # | Login to Reply

    Ah, yes, the ‘deal’ wherein Heather tried to guilt trip Bay into going to church, wherein Honey walked in and gave Bay the opportunity to avoid answering, and Heather chose to take it as a yes. Never mind that Bay never actually agreed to anything.

    • Robert
      November 10, 2014, 11:31 am | # | Login to Reply

      Ah, right. I was trying to figure out what “deal” Heather was talking about.

  5. ai_vin
    November 10, 2014, 1:38 pm | # | Login to Reply

    Bay need not worry about going to hell. No. Such. Place. Period!

    • Tyler294
      November 10, 2014, 10:59 pm | # | Login to Reply

      There totally is such a place. I think it’s in Michigan.

      • ai_vin
        November 11, 2014, 3:53 am | #

        Wouldn’t that mean Rick Snyder is the Devil?

      • Fairportfan
        November 11, 2014, 5:34 am | #

        Actually, it’s in Norway.

        It freezes over a lot, i believe.

    • Nebbdyr
      November 11, 2014, 10:12 am | # | Login to Reply

      What makes you so sure?

  6. Gabe Puratekuta
    November 10, 2014, 2:00 pm | # | Login to Reply

    She’s going to be sucked into another dimension where time flows much faster?

  7. Vimmy Ridge
    November 10, 2014, 2:21 pm | # | Login to Reply

    The donation image IS AWESOME!

    • Robert
      November 10, 2014, 10:28 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Isn’t it, though?? 😉

    • bthillman
      November 11, 2014, 11:01 am | # | Login to Reply

      Must be a very, very, nice, warm, fall day.

    • Vimmy Ridge
      November 12, 2014, 12:17 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Honey and Crystal in their birthday suits. I’ll buy that image anyday.

  8. Sora2455
    November 10, 2014, 3:59 pm | # | Login to Reply

    …is this really how we come across to other people? We’re only worried about your eternity, judging by the comments you’d think we were some sort of horrible monster. If you really hate church, we aren’t gonna drag you there, but we are gonna invite you at every opportunity.

    • Robert
      November 10, 2014, 10:31 pm | # | Login to Reply

      > …is this really how we come across to other people?

      Unfortunately, yes. Primarily because the most obnoxious religious folks are also the loudest. It doesn’t help your cause that rationality is getting stronger and more widespread as the years pass. Blind faith is not a virtue any more, it’s a flaw.

      • Tyler294
        November 10, 2014, 11:00 pm | #

        I dunno… looking at people today… I think humanity is as dumb and irrational as ever! lol

      • Robert
        November 11, 2014, 3:13 am | #

        It doesn’t look great, but that’s mostly because we’re so much better connected than we were even just a decade ago. It’s easier to see the stupid. But the numbers show that it’s actually getting less and less prevalent as time goes on.

        I’m fairly hopeful, at least.

      • Tyler294
        November 11, 2014, 3:56 pm | #

        Hopeful that religion goes down or stupidity goes down?

      • Robert
        November 12, 2014, 1:38 am | #

        Both. But that’s doesn’t mean that I conflate religiosity with stupidity. It’s that religious people are *irrational*.

    • Daedalus
      November 12, 2014, 6:09 am | # | Login to Reply

      Well… there’s also the actions of some religious folks who feel they have the authority to dictate how people should act on this plane of existence, even going so far as to try to lobby those views into law…

      The anti-gay sections of the church don’t exactly paint the rest of you in the best of lights is all I’m saying.

  9. CD Rudd
    November 10, 2014, 6:33 pm | # | Login to Reply

    I’m a little surprised too. More so the religious opinions topping the chat and not the fact that Bay is wet and bra-less…

    • ai_vin
      November 10, 2014, 7:16 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Well I’m not commenting about ‘that’ because I’ve seen bra-less women in wet T-shirts before and the lack of realistic details here is. . . underwhelming. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not disappointed (Robert, please don’t think I’m being critical of your work), it’s just that I came here KNOWING this was a family-ish comic so I wasn’t expecting anything NSFW.

      • Robert
        November 10, 2014, 10:31 pm | #

        CD’s the one who draws the comic. I just edit the text and post the pages to the website.

    • Bad Taiming
      November 10, 2014, 8:16 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Religion is a hot topic those that are religious have strong feelings about it and some of those that are not also do. I think Bay looks great in this comic. Also i don’t think many women were a bra to bed.

  10. Enhas
    November 10, 2014, 11:18 pm | # | Login to Reply

    It mostly comes down to two sides. The overly-religious fundamentalists that think the only thing that really matters in life is avoiding hell and using fear tactics to get people to convert (which “conversions” don’t last for long), and the overly-non religious atheists that think that anyone even slightly religious is a fool that is wasting his or her life. Personally, I can’t stand either, and this is despite (trying) being religious myself. I’ve had enough of everyone telling me what I should do and believe without actually giving a damn themselves.

    • ijuinkun
      November 11, 2014, 1:23 am | # | Login to Reply

      The problem with telling non-believers that they are going to hell is that the non-believers don’t believe that they are going to hell, and simply telling them that they are going there will do nothing towards convincing them. Being told that they are going to be sent to a place that they believe doesn’t exist is as crazy to their point-of-view as being told that an invisible purple tiger will eat them. You must first convince an unbeliever that your religious paradigm is true BEFORE you can use threats based upon that paradigm as motivators.

      Also, telling a person, especially your own family, that they are going to hell sounds to that person like you are saying “I think you deserve to go to hell”–i.e. “I think that you deserve the most horrible suffering imaginable”. Not exactly a statement of love, eh?

      • Tyler294
        November 11, 2014, 4:09 pm | #

        Technically saying “I think you’re going to go to hell.” can be the same as saying “I think you’re making a poor financial choice.” or “I think you’re making a poor relationship choice.” etc. For many, they just want you not to make a bad choice so they’re warning you. That’s at least what motivates some religious people, but not all…

        But you are correct on your first point. You first have to convince somebody that your religion is true, or at least has a reasonable possibility of being true, before you start trying to convince them the wrongs of their ways. (Alternatively, if you have good logic-based arguments to convince someone the wrongs of their ways first, you might be able to then show them how that aligns with your religion afterward.)

        It’s a touchy subject. I just had an argument last night with my mom over it. I believe there is something out there greater than us, and I tend to believe it is a God or advanced spiritual being. But I don’t claim to understand his nature or what he really wants because anyone can claim to have spoken with gods, spirits, demons, aliens or whatever else. So… I think it’s possible to be a believer, but not be religious.

    • Daedalus
      November 12, 2014, 6:11 am | # | Login to Reply

      Saying that it “mostly comes down to two sides” is falling into precisely the same trap that you lament, painting the majority of both sides as irrational extremists.

      I’m atheist myself, and I manage to coexist peacefully with some religious people, including my own mother while disagreeing with them.

      I do however have no patience for loons no matter what side they’re aligned with.

  11. Amber Thompson
    November 11, 2014, 3:46 am | # | Login to Reply

    “religious paradigm is true”. Since this is impossible to prove, you’ve got a hard job ahead of you.

  12. Silent Shadow
    November 11, 2014, 1:25 pm | # | Login to Reply

    Throwing water at someone to wake them up is not cool, Heather. Plus, it just wastes time since someone needs to dry the sheets afterwards.

    I haven’t been to church in a long time since it can be so very dull, and can be even longer than an hour sometimes.

  13. Mulgarath
    November 11, 2014, 3:55 pm | # | Login to Reply

    For some reason that last panel makes me wonder who would be erased if Honey and Brady were to get too close to a time portal.

    Would it be Honey because she is older?
    Would it be Brady, because she enter the timeline first?
    Would they fuse or both get erased?
    Or would something else happen?

    • bthillman
      November 11, 2014, 6:48 pm | # | Login to Reply

      How very Time Cop

    • Vimmy Ridge
      November 12, 2014, 12:50 pm | # | Login to Reply

      Don’t think it will be an issue. Considering Berry distroyed the portal.

      https://sailorsun.org/?comic=600-smashy-smashy

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